Posts Tagged ‘ammunition’

If you have been anywhere near social media in the last few days you have seen this new ammo popping up all over. The round we are talking about is called the R.I.P or Radically Invasive Projectile and it is made by G2 Research. Here are the specs off their website.

G2 Research R.I.P. 9mm
* 16″ Penetration
* Up to 6″ diameter spread
* 96 gr projectile
* 2″ grouping at 25 yrds
* 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy
* 9 Separate Wound Channels
* Precision Machined
* Solid Copper / Lead Free
* Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing

As most of you know I have been a huge proponent of Liberty Ammunition since they have hit the civilian market. There are still a lot of skeptics out there and surprisingly some of those that are skeptical of the Liberty Civil Defense rounds seem to be all excited over the R.I.P. round. I will come out now and say that I am not a fan of G2’s super ammo for a few different reasons.

First and foremost penetration depth is something I look at closely when choosing a round that I will carry on the street. I am looking for something that will go deep enough to get to the important stuff but at the same time not have to worry about over penetration. Liberty 9mm Ammo will penetrate roughly 2-4 inches dump nearly 600 pounds of energy (right in the range of standard 45 Auto hollow points) and fragment. Now if you check out the video on the G2 Research site you can see the R.I.P. round is penetrating entirely too much for me to be comfortable with.

As you can see the round does do a great job of dumping a lot of energy but fails to stay in the gel an passes through on into the target behind. Knowing I am responsible for every round that leaves my gun and where it ends makes me very leery to want to carry a round like this one the street.

Another reason and probably the biggest is defending my ammo choice in court if god forbid I would have to use it. Lets face it, winning the gun fight is only the first battle you will have to endure to save you life. Justifying your use of force in the court of law is just as threatening to your life and your lively hood as an armed carjacker. In Ohio you are considered the defendant and the bad guy you defended your life against is considered the victim until your actions are proven justified. (Read the AG Handbook if you are confused) Every aspect of your life will be picked apart from your training background to gun and ammo choice and I can’t see an ammo called R.I.P. is going to help my cause any. Just think if George Zimmerman would have been using this ammo the night he defended his life against Trayvon Martin. The prosecution tried to demonize Mr. Zimmerman for carrying a gun with a round in the chamber, how do you think the prosecutors would have used this against him?

This is a new round that seems to not answer any problems. To me it only seems to look like it will create more problems down the road if you have to use it. What do you think? Am I looking past some big plus this round brings to the market? For now I will stick with the Liberty and I look forward to some independent studies on the R.I.P. rounds.

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Liberty Civil Defense has been my new carry ammo for the last month and a half. There are a few cool things about this that I really enjoy about it so far and has had me switching to these as my primary carry rounds all through summer.

First, lets get the specs out of the way. This is a lead free 50 gr. fragmenting monolithic hollow point. The rounds themselves are made of nickel-plated copper with a nickel-plated (brass) cartridge case. Why lead free you ask? I wondered the same thing. I figured they were trying to get a jump on the new laws in California calling for all ammunition to be free of lead and apparently I was wrong. According to Liberty Ammunition, they set out to design the most lethal ammunition in the world and it just so happened that lead free produced the best results. Who knew right?

The reason I started looking into this ammo is because I am always concerned about over penetration. After looking into some of the videos online I liked what I saw. After the initial impact on most ballistic gel tests the round would fragment and dump a ton of energy really quickly. The base seems to travel roughly 11 inches into the gel, but it loses about half of its weight during the fragmentation. The impact and wound channel looks pretty devastating and in a self-defense round that is what I look for. I want to make sure whoever is on the receiving end of my rounds quickly re-evaluates their actions and life choices, and after watching some of the videos I think this is the round to make that happen.

It looks like they picked up Joe Teti from Dual Survival to do some of their videos for them.

One thing I do enjoy about the 50 gr bullet is that a fully loaded Glock 19 mag weighs less than one of my California compliant 10 rounders with standard ball ammo. When you are carrying these in the gun it feels like there is no magazine. In the summer time that is pretty nice since my standard summer time “operator uniform” is shorts, light t-shirt, and my vibram Bikila LS’ (and yes the Vibrams are awesome) so it is nice to have the light gun feel but still have that 15 round capacity.

When I tested the rounds I was pleasantly surprised with the minimal recoil and spot on accuracy paired with the Glock 19. When I say reduced recoil I am serious. It is very noticeable and made follow-up shots great as there was very little muzzle flip. Ladies will appreciate this change from some of the other self-defense rounds on the market. I am a firm believer in there is no such thing as a “one stop shot.” Quick precise follow up shots are going to be needed and the light recoil offered by these rounds will make that possible.

Of course there are quite a few people who aren’t as enthused about what these rounds offer and you can find a lot of differing views and skeptics on Youtube. Here is one of those videos:

The reason I posted this video in particular was the pork shoulder portion. The wound cavity is insane! I am almost certain that would make somebody stop doing whatever it was that prompted the need for an armed response.

Here is another video from Ammunition Depot showing a slow motion on ballistic gel.

Having confidence in your equipment is vital. If you do your research and feel you are better suited with something else, rock on. It is your choice and I am just here showing you options. I am confident that this ammo in my Glock will provide me the protection and performance I need in the summer time. With cooler weather rolling around I am still undecided if I am going to stick with Liberty in the winter or move towards a heavier round. As soon as I make a decision I will fill you in.

If you do decide to try out some Liberty for yourself you can find some at Ammunition Depot right now and they have a heck of a sale price on it as of today (October 15th, 2013).

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If you remember at the beginning of the year I was at a VSM class and there was a little bit of a hiccup with some Tula ammo. If you missed it you can find the recap of the class and the pictures here and then you can read the outcome here. Now that your memory has been refreshed I wanted to share what happened to me a few weeks back.

It isn’t uncommon with my group of buddies to start any celebration out with a trip to the gun range. On this occasion we were there in the morning to kick off the beginning of a day filled with bachelor awesomeness. Any time I am at the range my guns are fair game and if you have the ammo and want to feed them you can play with them as long as you want. My buddy grabbed my short AR and a mag and headed up to the line. I heard one shot and then nothing? Hmmmm. I see him looking it over so I headed down to see what was up.

My latest build and the unsuspecting victim Black Snake

My latest build and the unsuspecting victim Black Snake

After firing the first round the gun seemed to double feed. I have had the gun for nearly a year now and have put quite a few rounds down the barrel since I finished the build last Thanksgiving. It has never given me any problems at all. The magazine is a brand new Pmag that I had stippled so I didn’t think it could have been the problem. Our buddy who is the resident gun guru was there also and when we started going over the rifle and realized there was a stuck case in the chamber.

My buddy knowing there would be a plethora of AR’s there to play with hit every place he could to grab as much extra ammo as he could find. He snatched up a box of Tula .223 from a Walmart in Columbus. The first round was the last one through my rifle for the day. The rim on the case apparently had a defect and gave way where the extractor grabbed.

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Here you can see where the case sheared away

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Another angle

As I said in the beginning we were at the range celebrating a bachelor party and this was just our first stop of many, and since I wasn’t going home for any length of time longer than to just grab a shower and unload the truck, my buddy Bob said he would take a my rifle home and see what he could do to get the case unstuck. He called me not long after we left and said two or three taps with a rod and it popped right out leading me to believe that it was a defect in the case and not my chamber being overly dirty.

After a long night of feasting upon delicious dead animals, drinking overly priced adult bottled beverages, and making donations towards higher education at a local single dancing mother’s charity, I headed over and picked my precious back up. Bob even had cleaned the upper for me just to be sure it wasn’t anything on the rifles end. (God bless Bob)

I guess in closing I wanted to say this is the fourth issue I have encountered with Tula this year alone. The same day this happened with my rifle, another buddy had a squib with a Tula 9mm round. I am not saying don’t use Tula. I have one friend who has shot so much Tula that he is starting to have a Russian accent and he hasn’t had any trouble other than a light charge here and there. I have had a squib load during a class with Tula when I was in Missouri last year and after that I started thinking twice about what I ran through my guns. Again, I am not telling you not to use Tula, but I wouldn’t make it my first choice….. it is more like my last resort.

It seems the ammo problems have not just hit us civilians, law enforcement is having a bit of trouble of their own.  I could add to this but the article speaks for itself. Smarter people than me in the industry are saying 6 months to a year before supply is back to pre-Sandy Hook conditions. 
Every day that goes by makes it harder for any gun control measures to pass but we need to keep contacting our representatives.
The serious part of the panic is behind us I think but the effects are going to stick around just like the first ammo scare. As long as the congress and senate stand strong for our rights we will see supply pick up.

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Yes, somebody was apparently pretty good this year and I think it was me!

Soon we will be diving into the setup and operation of the Dillon 550b thanks to my awesome wife and her great Christmas gift powers! After I crank out a few thousand rounds I think I’ll feel good enough to write a decent review.

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Expect a post on the set up very soon.

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